Overrepresentation

A flip side of affirmative action for under-represented groups is what to do about minorities which are over-represented, and what to do about significate majority groups that may be under-represented on campuses. I've put all of the lists together here so that people can find them. I have found that religion is just as great or a greater factor for over- and under- representation as race.

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Arthur Hu's Race / Religion Rankings

Socio-Ecnonomic Rankings (Poverty) ----------------------------------- Group Families in Poverty % Japanese 3.4 Filipino 5.2 Melanesian 6.5 White 7.0 NHwhite 7.0 AsIndian 7.2 US 10.0 Thai 10.8 Chinese 11.1 Asian 11.4 AsPI 11.6 Guamanian 12.3 Hawaiian 12.7 Micronesian 14.4 Korean 14.7 PacIs 15.0 Polynesian 15.3 OtherAs 15.6 Other PI 18.7 Tongan 20.6 Foreign-born (total) 22.2% Hispanic 22.3 Vietnam 23.8 Samoan 24.5 Black 26.3 NatAm 27.0 Laotian 32.2 Foreign-born arriving after '90 33.3% Educational Rankings: ----------------------------------- Gay Asian Indian Jewish Chinese Asian White Hispanic Black Political Rankings ----------------------------------- Athletic Rankings ------------------------------------ Business Rankings @@Asian @@Chinese @@Indian Asians vs Jews vs Chinese vs. Indians If we set Jewish representation at 1.0, the Chinese are better in some numbers, but only the Asian Indians are consistently better in almost every categor. Summary J=Jewish C=Chinese JP=Japanese I=Indian E=European-Am K=Korean A=Asian Rank by Chinese ----------------------------------------------------------------- Weyl Academic J1.00 C 3.23 JP-1.55 K 4.16 I-?.?? E-6.39 Westinghouse 93 J1.00 C 3.08 JP-1.21 I 1.69 E-23.0 A 1.17 Forbes HiTech 97 J1.00 C 1.14 I 1.34 Ivy League J1.00 C 1.10 E-10.0 A-1.75 Toronto Fail J1.00 C 1.08 JP ?.?? K-1.15 I E-1.92 ----------- Chinese better -------------------------------------- House Inc J1.00 I 2.10 E-1.17 A 1.00 ----------- Chinese worse --------------------------------------- Toronto Hi grade J1.00 C-1.02 JP ?.?? K ?.?? I-?.?? E-1.61 IQ J1.00 C-1.05 JP-1.05 E-1.15 A-1.10 SAT Combined J1.00 I 1.00 E-1.10 A-1.09 4 Yr College J1.00 C-1.14 I 1.23 E-2.20 A-1.23 USA Today Coll. J1.00 C-1.47 JP-1.47 I 3.98 E-7.00 A-1.27 Weyl Occupation J1.00 C-1.80 JP-1.24 K-?.?? I-?.?? E-4.88 Dropout J1.00 C-3.28 JP-1.56 I-1.91 E-2.76 ACM Turing J1.00 I 3.0 A-12.0 '97 Time 25 J1.00 A-14.0 Rank by Indian ----------------------------------------------------------------- USA Today Coll. J1.00 C-1.47 JP-1.47 I 3.98 E-7.00 A-1.27 ACM Turing J1.00 I 3.0 A-12.0 House Income J1.00 I 2.10 E-1.17 A 1.00 Westinghouse 93 J1.00 C 3.08 JP-1.21 I 1.69 E-23.0 A 1.17 Forbes HiTech 97 J1.00 C 1.14 I 1.34 4 Yr College J1.00 C-1.14 I 1.23 E-2.20 A-1.23 SAT Combined J1.00 I 1.00 E-1.10 A-1.09 -------------- Worse than Jews ------------------------------------ Dropout J1.00 C-3.28 JP-1.56 I-1.91 E-2.76 Rankings without Jews EE Times Survey W1.00 C10.7 I12.00 * Asians are better only at the Westinghouse contest, are generally slightly worse overall, but better than most whites. * Chinese are better at only about half the comparisons * Indians are better in every comparison for which there is a statistic except for high school dropout rate @@Bee (Spelling, Geography) DARK SIDE OF HOMESCHOOLER BEE CHAMPS? z56\clip\2002\05\concern.txt http://detnews.com/2002/schools/0204/12/a02-460478.htm Tuesday, April 9, 2002 The Detroit News. By Jessica Wehrman / Scripps Howard News Service "with the trend of home-schooled champs has come muted criticisms from those who say home-schooled students have the advantage because they can spend more time studying spelling during their school days. " z56\clip\2002\05\homebee.txt NATIONAL 'BEES' BUZZ WITH HOME SCHOOLERS Vaishali Honawar THE WASHINGTON TIMES http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20020521-81829932.htm geography bee.... Four home schoolers finished among the top 10, and Jason Ferguson of Dallas came in third. The percentage of home schoolers in the contests is disproportionately high. Last year, the U.S. Department of Education estimated that 850,000 children, or 1.7 percent, were educated at home .... 21.8 [12.8X] percent of the participants in the geography bee this year are home schooled, ... 10.9 percent in the spelling bee [6.4x]. @@Cabinet JEWS#1, WHITE MALES BARELY = POP ON CLINTON CABINET \doc\96\08\clindivr.wk1 Clinton Cabinet Diversity Analysis by Arthur Hu Sources: "WASPs losing grip on Cabinet as Clinton extends diversity" Seattle Times Dec 21, 1996 New Cabinet a Picture of U.S An AP News Analysis President Completes Second-Term Team By Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, December 21 1996; Page A01 The Washington Post Clinton 1997 Cabinet Diversity Ranking 2 14.3% 2.0% 7.14 jews 3 21.4% 12.0% 1.79 blacks (-1) 7 50.0% 35.0% 1.43 white non-hispanic men 10 71.4% 50.0% 1.43 men 1 7.1% 5.0% 1.43 hispanic male --------- Over Represented --------------------------- 4 28.6% 28.0% 1.02 catholics 10 71.4% 72.0% -1.01 white 2 14.3% 15.0% -1.05 white male protestants 1 7.1% 10.1% -1.41 hispanic (-1) 4 28.6% 50.0% -1.75 women (+1) 0 0.0% 3.0% 0.00 asian (1 would be 2.38) Jews (7.1) and Blacks (1.8) and white non-Hispanic men (1.43) are over-represented, but whites are only equal to population when they are better qualified (-1.01). Hispanics are also close to parity. Asians would be over-represented if they had even one, but would be "correct" averaged over two terms if they had one in either term. This cabinet still conforms to the rule that Catholics are 28% of everything, no matter what you look at.

@@Catholic

Catholics are dead average, 26%-32% of EVERYTHING. They appear to be the only ethnic / religious category that is neither greatly over or under-represented, regardless of field. Freshman Hi College 1.24 Navy Top Chaplain 1.22 Clinton 1996 Cabinet 1.02
* 1996 Voted for Clinton 1.00 Ivy League 1.00 Abortion 1.00* Took SAT 1990 -1.05 Fortune 1986 CEO -1.47

@@Ceo

doc\94\11\ceorelig.wk1 Fortune survey of CEO by religion Fortune 4-28-86 Rank by CEO Presbyterian 8.80 Episcopalian 8.80 Congregational 6.60 Jewish 3.80 Methodist 0.84 None 0.76 Lutheran 0.75 Roman Catholic 0.68 Other 0.27 Baptist 0.18

@@Chaplain

"LOW CHURCH" EVANGELICALS CLAIM BIAS IN NAVY CHAPLAIN CORPS \clip\98\15\chaplain.txt The Seattle Times Company Friday, October 16, 1998 Navy chaplain corps biased, evangelical says by Tom Bowman The Baltimore Sun "claiming that promotions and choice jobs in the corps are reserved for Catholics and mainline Protestants at the expense of "low-church" Protestants, such as Baptists and fundamentalist faiths." Rank by Top Job Chaplain Rate Jobs % Pers Rate Total 17 100 HProt 8 47.1 15 3.14 Cath 5 29.4 24 1.22 LProt 4 23.5 41 -1.74

@College

Note that catholics again are "average" in everything. Low rates of evangelicals are also found in selective universities and among CEOs of large corporations. Their SAT scores are also relatively low compared to other whites. (Arthur Hu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- SAT SHOWS JEWS, HINDU, LIBERAL CHRISTIANS HAVE BEST SAT SCORES dOC\DOC921\RELIG90.WK1 - religion ranked by race and SAT score Source: Unpublished numbers, College Board, 1990 SAT-Comb 95/90* W1.0 B-1.27 H-1.18 A1.01 J*1.10 I*1.10
* Note that Asians overall scored only slightly better than whites overall when both math and verbals are counted. Asians were outscored by Episcopals, Presbyterians, Black Unitarians, Jews and Hindus. Only White Unitarians and Quakers outscored Jews. Rank by test score - all and Asian Race - Wh-white Af-Black As-Asian Al-All Races Wh Judaism 25,600 1030 * Jewish Avg As Hindu 4138 1029 * Asian Indian Af Unitarian 64 966 * Top Black group Al Episcopal 22,109 957 * Episcopal Al Presbyterian 37,353 955 * Presbyterian As Total 70739 938 * Asian Avg Wh Total 688,933 934 * White Avg Race Religion Number Math + Verbal SAT Wh Unitarian 1,745 1073 Wh Quaker 894 1037 Wh Judaism 25,600 1030 * Jewish Avg Al Quaker 1,009 1029 As Hindu 4138 1029 Al Judaism 27,374 1026 As Presbyterian 3195 1022 As Angelican 197 1019 Al Hindu 4,741 1012 Wh Hindu 82 1004 As No Pref 17987 1001 As U Methodist 662 998 Wh Mennonite 952 990 As Unitarian 49 986 As Episcopal 444 983 Wh Chistian Sci 830 979 Wh No Pref 99,076 979 Al Mennonite 1,063 974 As Methodist 1108 973 As Quaker 25 973 Wh Mormon 6,400 972 Wh Episcopal 19,555 970 As S Baptist Conv 332 966 Af Unitarian 64 966 *Top Black Al No Pref 137,305 963 Wh Luth Missouri 8,038 963 Wh Un Church of Christ 7,066 962 As Wesleyan 32 960 Al Luth Missouri 8,624 959 Al Episcopal 22,109 957* Episcopal Wh Presbyterian 32,019 956 Wh Angelican 1,765 956 Al Chistian Sci 989 955 Al Presbyterian 37,353 955* Presbyterian Al Un Church of Christ 7826 951 Wh U Methodist 23,470 949 Al Mormon 7,594 948 Wh Other 20,125 947 Wh Lutheran in Am 23,380 943 As Christn Reformed 298 943 Wh No Answer 44,397 942 Al U Methodist 26,037 939 Wh Afr Methodist 144 939 As Total 70739 938* Asian Avg Wh S Baptist Conv 14,165 938 Al Lutheran in Am 25,020 937 Wh Total 688,933 934* White Avg As Lutheran in Am 471 931 As Un Church of Christ 253 930 Al S Baptist Conv 15,729 929 As Judaism 218 925 Wh Christn Reformed 2,235 924 As Baptist 3003 924 As Islam 2184 923 ------------------------------------------------------ UCLA FRESHMEN SURVEY SHOWS RELIGIOUS RIGHT LEAST LIKELY IN SELECTIVE COLLEGES \doc\95\12\racereli.wk1 The American Freshman: National Norms for Fall 1991 Cooperative Institutional Research Program UCLA UCLA freshman survey. Ranked by Representation at Highly Selective Coleges Jewish 5.35 Chinese est 4.50 PR 3.56 Presbyterian 2.70 None 2.52 Asian 2.25 Episcopalian 2.15 Am Indian 1.40 Roman Catholic 1.24 White 1.02 Chicano 0.86 Congregational 0.70 Black 0.53 Born-Again 0.48 Lutheran 0.47 Methodist 0.44 Other 0.20 Baptist 0.19 ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.arthurhu.com/doc/94/13/ivypoll.wk1 ivypoll.txt IVY LEAGUE POLL SHOWS 44% OF IVY LEAGE STUDENTS JEWISH OR ASIAN "Inside the Ivy League" US News and World Report April 12, 1993 p. 55 Poll of 3,000 undergraduates doc\94\13\ivypoll.wk1 Ivy Leage college survey Rank by representation rate Chinese est. 11.0 (twice Asian rate) Jew 10.0 Asian 5.7 Oth/NoRelig 2.0 White 1.0 Cath 1.0 Black -2.1 Hispanic -2.4 Prot -3.0 Asians + Jews = 44% of students @@Congress CA CONGRESS BY RACE AND RELIGION doc923:cacorel.wk1 - CA Congress and Religion Analysis by Arthur Hu, San Jose CA June 1992 .prn text file George Neville-Neil writes One reason for that might be that they aren't. Both are Roman-Catholics. And for those who care here is the religious divison of the California House Delegation (fourty-five delegates, not 16 !). Parity: 2.0 means 2 times, -2.0 means 1/2 Let's sort everybody by parity rate House CA Parity Christian Scientist 1 2.2% 0.1% 18.2 Unitarians 2 4.4% 0.3% 16.8 Episcopalians 5 11.1% 1.8% 6.2 Jewish 6 13.3% 2.3% 5.8 Japanese-Am 2 4.4% 1.0% 4.4 Mormons 3 6.7% 2.2% 3.0 Blacks 4 8.9% 7.0% 1.3 Lutherans 2 4.4% 3.7% 1.2 United Methodists 2 4.4% 3.9% 1.1 ----- above parity Roman Catholics 10 28.9% 28.0% 1.0 Presbytarians 2 4.4% 4.4% 1.0 Baptist 4 10.0% 10.0% 1.0 ----- below parity Methodist 2 4.4% 7.7% -1.7 Asians 2 4.4% 10.0% -2.3 Protestants 5 11.1% 29.8% -2.7 Other Asian < 1 2.2% 9.0% -4.1 Unaffiliated 1 2.2% 13.0% -5.9 Women 3 6.7% 50.0% -7.5 Now we see who's really in power in relation to their size. What do people have against people with no religion?? The Episcopalians and Unitarians are super-WASPs. Blacks are ahead of most Christian groups, not just Asians! Women fall dead last. Catholics are average is just about everything. US CONGRESS BY RELIGION congrel.wk1 Source: Catholics largest bloc in Congress San Jose Mercury Dec 12, 1992 p. 11G Analysis by Arthur Hu Relig pop from National Survey of Religious Identification 1990 CUNY Graduate School Barry A. Kosmin Comparisons by Arthur Hu Pct Pop Rate Total 522 Ranked by Rate Episcopalians 50 9.6% 1.7% 5.63 Unitarian 7 1.3% 0.3% 5.07 Jewish 42 8.0% 1.8% 4.47 Presbyterians 54 10.3% 2.8% 3.69 United Church 14 2.7% 1.0% 2.68 Methodists 70 70 13.4% 8.0% 1.68 Mormon 12 2.3% 1.4% 1.64 White 1.21 Catholic 141 142 27.0% 26.2% 1.03 Lutheran 21 4.0% 5.2% -1.29 Baptists 62 59 11.9% 19.4% -1.63 Black -1.66 None 20 3.8% 7.5% -1.96 Hispanic -3.48 OthProtes 29 5.6% 20.5% -3.70 Asian -5.91 Native Am 0.00 Episcopalians, Unitarians, and Jews lead at 4.5 to 5.6 times their population. Catholics (as usual) are average in everything. At the bottom are the Baptists, No Religion, and Other Protestants. also from congrel.wk1 Senate 50 50 Japanese 2 2 4.0 0.3 10.57 Men 44 47 88.0 50.0 1.76 White 47 48 94.0 74.5 1.26 Asian 2 2 4.0 3.6 -1.14 Women 6 3 13.6 50.0 -6.45 Black 1 0 2.0 12.0 -7.57 Hispanic 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.00 \doc\95\01\cong95.wk1 - congress in 1995 "The New Congress", Seattle Times Jan 5, 1995 p. 3 Percent White Black Hisp Asian NatAm total House 86.4% 8.7% 3.9% 0.9% 0.0% 100.0% Senate 96.0% 1.0% 0.0% 2.0% 1.0% 100.0% US Pop 71.6% 12.0% 51.3% 4.5% 0.7% Index White Black Hisp Asian NatAm total House 1.21 -1.66 -3.48 -5.91 ERR ERR Senate 1.34 -16.10 ERR -3.02 1.06 ERR

@@Gay

GAYS INVENTED OR AT LEAST OVERREPRESENTED IN WESTERN CULTURE http://www.indegayforum.org/articles/bawer4.html z62\clip\2002\11\overgay.txt Bruce Bawer Canon Fodder Originally appeared in The Advocate, May 16, 1995, and was reprinted in the collection Beyond Queer: Challenging Gay Left Orthodoxy (Free Press, 1996). "Think about it: A group comprising one percent of the population producing Erasmus, da Vinci, Michelangelo, Caravaggio, Marlowe, Bacon, Hölderlin, Hans Christian Andersen, Tchaikovsky, Proust ... the list goes on and on to include three of the four major nineteenth-century American novelists, one (perhaps both) of the two great nineteenth-century American poets, and two of the three most noted mid-twentieth-century American dramatists... Western civilization, far from being threatened by homosexuality, is to a staggeringly disproportionate degree the creation of gay men and women." @@Indian The Indo-Americans have the highest education and entrepeneur performance of any ethnic group, rivaling American jews and Chinese. Hindus also do well on SATs with respect to religion. Their math is comparable to East Asians, but their verbal scores are better. http://www.vdare.com/misc/kahn_one_story.htm - article dismissing Asian scam entrepeneurs recent Newsweek article on South Asian immigrants, which is chock full of numbers like this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4522891/ According to the Census Bureau, the median income in Indian-American families is more than $60,000, compared with the national average of $38,885, and experts estimate that more than half of the 2 million South Asians in this country are college graduates. South Asians are highly visible on all of the nation's most elite campuses and are garnering an impressive share of the top academic prizes. They were critical to the Silicon Valley boom, and now many are resettling in cities like Bangalore as entrepreneurs in the booming outsourcing industry.

@@Jewish

Arthur Hu's Jewish Spectrum By Population Ratio ============================================= Ratio Average=1.00 --------------------------------------------- 60.00 Time 20th Cent Top 20 (worldwide) 23.00 Westinghouse Science Talent Search 15.00 Supreme Court Law Clerk 13.00 US Law School Professor 12.00 ACM Turing Awards 10.00 Ivy League doc\94\13\ivypoll.wk1 7.14 Clinton Cabinet 7.00 McArthur Awards 6.89 Time 1997 Top 25 5.8 CA Congress 1992 5.35 UCLA '91 Jews at high selective colleges 5.00 Pulitzer Prize 5.00 US Senator 4.47 US Congress 1992 3.80 Fortune CEO 4-28-86 2.65 College Grad+ 2.25 Liberal 2.00 Abortion always legal 1.85 Incomes over $40,000 1.80 Voted in 1994 congress race 1.95 Democrat Kosmin '91 1.75 Democratic 1.05 Some College -1.75 Conservative -1.85 Republican -2.38 For Republican House -2.75 Not registered to vote -3.25 HS Dropout -5.2 Voted 96 Republican President By Percentage ---------- 100% CA Senators 1996 60% Top Hollywood positions 60 min 20-30% Westinghouse Science Prize 30% Supreme Court Law Clerks 27% Ivy League Survey 26% US Law Professors (Volokh UCLA) 25% ACM Turing Award 17% Boston Symphony Strings 17% Nobel Physiology and Medicine 16% Time Most Important 25 15% McArthur "Genius" Awards 1981-97 15% Time 20 20th Century Inventors 15% USA Today College Academic Team 14% Clinton Cabinet 1997 11% Nobel Physics Prize 10% Pulitzer 1997 10% US Senate 7.7% Corporate Boards 7% Forbes HiTech 100 1997 3.0% US Voters 1996 2.0% US Population 0.25% World Popluation

@@Poverty

Families in Poverty, 1990 Group Families in Poverty % Japanese 3.4 Filipino 5.2 Melanesian 6.5 White 7.0 NHwhite 7.0 AsIndian 7.2 US 10.0 Thai 10.8 Chinese 11.1 Asian 11.4 AsPI 11.6 Guamanian 12.3 Hawaiian 12.7 Micronesian 14.4 Korean 14.7 PacIs 15.0 Polynesian 15.3 OtherAs 15.6 Other PI 18.7 Tongan 20.6 --------------------------------------------- Foreign-born (total) 22.2% -------------------------------------------- Hispanic 22.3 Vietnam 23.8 Samoan 24.5 Black 26.3 NatAm 27.0 Laotian 32.2 ------------------------------------------------ Foreign-born arriving after '90 33.3% ------------------------------------------------- Cambodian 42.1 Hmong 61.8 Source: US Census, We the Asian Americans Immigrant Poverty: \CLIP\97\13\founder.txt Foundering In a Wave of Immigrants U.S. Prosperity Eludes Millions of Newcomers The Washington Post, Saturday, May 10 1997 By William Branigin and Pamela Constable Washington Post Staff Writers 1996 Census Data
@@Russia @@Russian Some people think the Russians are overachievers. They play good chess, are good as science and computer contests, and I love Tchaikovsky. Some of their weapons systems were pretty darned successful too. The west still hasn't copied the superior RPG-7 system. z82\clip\2004\07\russmill.txt Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/business/3710977.stm Published: 2004/05/13 14:30:24 GMT Moscow 'has most billionaires' The Russian capital Moscow now boasts more billionaires than any other city in the world, according to a survey by Forbes magazine. Tip by juan pablo montoya [sangliasuga hotmail.com] @@Technology 30% OF SILICON VALLEY TECH CHINESE OR INDIAN "godlesscapitalist" 5/2004 \clip\2004\05\h-bd0505.txt http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~asiactr/mas/summaries/MAS_092900.html Saxenian claimed that the success of these networks is reflected in their increasing rates of entrepreneurship. According to a survey she made by counting surnames (for lack of a more accurate way to measure ethnic backgrounds), 3,000 of the technology firms created in the Silicon Valley since 1980 are run by Indian and Chinese entrepreneurs. Accounting for over thirty percent of the total number of technological start-ups, reaching $19 billion in sales, and creating 70,000 new jobs, these businesses have made significant contributions to the local economy. @@White @@European z82\clipim\2004\08\17\Nature_Article_15_July_FINAL.pdf The scientific impact of nations Nature Chart compares scientific and economic wealth. India China very low in both. Japan, Singapore about top of lower third. Highest citation density Swiss, Swede, Israeli, Denmark, UK, Netherlands.