+OK 4149 octets Received: from smtp12.nwnexus.com (smtp12.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.60]) by mail3.halcyon.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25968 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.egroups.com (ml.egroups.com [207.138.41.146]) by smtp12.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12809 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:29:30 -0700 (PDT) X-eGroups-Return: h-bd-return-1671-arthurhu=halcyon.com@returns.egroups.com Received: from [10.1.2.1] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 1999 05:29:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact h-bd-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: h-bd@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/h-bd/ Received: (listserv 1.262); by m5; 14 Oct 1999 04:29:28 -0000 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-h-bd@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12939 invoked from network); 14 Oct 1999 04:29:25 -0000 Received: from dfw-smtpout3-ext.email.verio.net (HELO dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) (129.250.36.43) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 1999 04:29:25 -0000 Received: from dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net ([129.250.38.61]) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.04) with ESMTP id FJKSH000.09O for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:29:24 +0000 Received: from olimu2 ([209.139.139.167]) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.04) with SMTP id FJKSGM00.4P5; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:29:10 +0000 From: "John Derbyshire" To: , "Gregory M. Cochran" <74771.3230@compuserve.com> Cc: "[unknown]" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:27:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bf1615$911bb660$a28b8bd1@olimu2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <3805553F.C37ACC54@u-aizu.ac.jp> Subject: [h-bd] Re: Norm, Jerry, and education Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: Thank you. I-- and, with a different spin, Steve Sailer-- have made this point to the group several times. Education is the shibboleth of our age. We are an over-schooled society. I spent three years at an excellent university, at the end of which time I could perform contour integrals, solve partial differential equations, tell you where the nontrivial zeros of the Riemann Zeta function are (almost certainly on the line Re[z]=½-- though nobody's actually proved it yet) and express Maxwell's equations of the electromagnetic field in tensor form. I went on to work for 25 years at quite technical jobs without ever (I think) being required to extract a square root in anger. I'll allow that the stuff taught at community colleges and vocational schools is marginally more useful than tensor calculus; but the students could pick it up faster on the job under a proper system of apprenticeship. Most of them know this at some level. Teaching computer programming last year in New York City I reflected often that my students could get all I was giving them from home study with one of the excellent teach-yourself computer books now available... but they needed that diploma, they needed those credits. Any ranking of advanced nations in 1900 according to best/worst educated would have put Germany firmly at the top and the USA near the bottom. Which nation has had the better century? > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven D. Tripp [mailto:tripp@u-aizu.ac.jp] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:00 PM > To: Gregory M. Cochran > Cc: [unknown] > Subject: [h-bd] Re: Norm, Jerry, and education > > > I wonder if education is really that important..... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to contribute to H-Bd: 1. To reply privately to just the sender of this message, click the "Reply" button on your email package. 2. To reply publicly to the entire H-Bd list, click the "Reply All" (or equivalent) button on your email package. 3. To start a thread, email your message to h-bd@egroups.com .