e:\doc\web\99\11\airtank.txt Re: Armor for Airborne? Date: 1999/08/03 Author: JKavana705 Posting History > >What is the success rate of the british scorpion series, >what of marine lav series as heli-lift and c130 capable? Scorpion is now out of serice for the most part. Been replaced by the Scimitar, with a 30mm cannon. The whole CVT(R) series is very successful in it's role: armored reconnaissance, better than the american A.R. vehicles.. Its tiny, lightly armed, and thinly armored. I would not use it as an assault gun or light tank. All LAVs are air portable, maybe air-droppable. But again, they're IFVs/scout vehicles, not designed to go head to head with tanks. There was a pln to replace the Humvees in the 2d ACR with LAV variants. With the Piraina III and its components (recce, 120mm, 90mm, 25mm w/ TOWs), I would really love to see that plan implemented. e: Armor for Airborne? Date: 1999/08/03 Author: RTA SOA Posting History LAV is just under C130 max weight (around 13 t) is stowed right. Cbt wt of about 13.6 t. Unsure of heli-lift with CH-53 series..... Help | Feedback >> Community: Your community could be featured here! >> Forum: sci.military.moderated >> Thread: Armor for Airborne? >> Message 19 of 51 Subject: Re: Armor for Airborne? Date: 1999/08/03 Author: JCDrews Posting History The notion of a light-armored, big-gun fire support vehicle for US Army Airborne and Light units is not altogether dead and gone with the untimely demise of the XM-8 AGS. The Sheridan-equipped 3-73rd Armor/82nd operated one company of LAV's on loan from USMC inventory, for a year or more, prior to the Battalion inactivating. Because the Army was favorably impressed, the Piranha/LAV series are being considered for a limited, off-the-shelf (more or less) acquisition. I just recently saw a blurb that General Dynamics will make a "Pirhana III" 8x8 armed with a 105mm main gun (as used on the AGS) for the Army. No quantity was mentioned. Oddly, I also notice that the Austrian-Swiss PANDUR claims to have been "adopted" by the US Army -- anyone know more? Armor for Airborne? Date: 1999/08/05 Author: JKavana705 Posting History > The notion of a light-armored, big-gun fire support vehicle for US Army >Airborne and Light units is not altogether dead and gone with the untimely >demise of the XM-8 AGS. (info about LAV snipped) LAV is not an AGS, its barely armored. Its good for an armored recon vechile, and an ok IFV. But you wouldn't want to stand it up and slug it out with a tank. That being said, I think the project to equip the Army wiht LAV's, the "Cavalry After Next" program has largely been dropped as well (unfortunately). The US and UK is jointly developing the "future cavalry and scout system. They chose to develop and hopefully get funding for a vechilce that may or may not be in service in 8 years instead of adopting a combat-proven system. If I'm wrong here, if there's another program to adopt the Pirana LAV, please tell me. Scout Help | Feedback >> Community: Your community could be featured here! >> Forum: sci.military.moderated >> Thread: Armor for Airborne? >> Message 21 of 51 Subject: Re: Armor for Airborne? Date: 1999/08/03 Author: Michael Shirley Posting History arthurhu@halcyon.com wrote in message ... > > >What is the success rate of the british scorpion series, Scorpion is strictly a reconisance vehicle, a replacement for the Saladin. >what of marine lav series as heli-lift and c130 capable? Not bad, but I like the 105mm version of the Rooikat better. 1999/08/05 Author: Thomas Schoene Posting History Michael Shirley wrote in article ... > > > > arthurhu@halcyon.com wrote in message ... > > > > > >What is the success rate of the british scorpion series, > > Scorpion is strictly a reconisance vehicle, a replacement > for the Saladin. It was used as a fire support vehicle in the Falklands with some success. I'll agree that it isn't really suited for the general fire support mission, but for light and airborne troops it may be worthwhile, especially in the 90mm gun version. > >what of marine lav series as heli-lift and c130 capable? > > Not bad, but I like the 105mm version of the Rooikat better. > You figure out how to sling it under a CH-53. :-) Rookiat is nice, but it's probably too heavy for air dropping or lifting. -- Armor for Airborne? Date: 1999/08/05 Author: Peter Kemp Posting History Michael Shirley wrote in message ... > Scorpion is strictly a reconisance vehicle, a replacement >for the Saladin. I was under the impression that the Scorpions (and the other CVR(T) series vehicles) were replacements for the Ferrets of Yore. The Saladin is an APC, and was replaced by the FV432 and the Saxon. If anyone could confirm whether I'm just blabbering, I'd appreciate it Peter Kemp Help | Feedback >> Community: Your community could be featured here! >> Forum: sci.military.moderated >> Thread: Armor for Airborne? >> Message 24 of 51 Subject: Re: Armor for Airborne? Date: 1999/08/05 Author: Richard A. Randall Posting History arthurhu@halcyon.com wrote in message ... >What is the success rate of the british scorpion series, >what of marine lav series as heli-lift and c130 capable? >On 1999-07-30 brian@jcsmr.anu.edu.au said: > >Seems to me that there is a bit of confusion of what the role of > >armour is in airborne operations. Uh, these really aren't tanks, especially not when compared to the M8 AGS. The Scorpion is, IIRC, more of a recce AFV, while the LAV is an APC. -- Richard A. Randall rrandall@NOSPAMiname.com Purveyor of Fine Piranha Coming soon -- Piranhakeets!