After looking at the new math textbook series, they are indeed higher standards, in terms of content covered. I believe that the designers think that since we have calculators, we can move all kinds of college level stuff all the way down to 3rd or 4th grade or high school since kids no longer need to spend time drilling on basic skills. The new books do cover much more WASL material, but the Integrated math sequence says it all. Traditional takes 1 whole year learning nothing but algebra. Integrated includes algebra - as perhaps 15% of a years content with god knows everything but the kitchen sink thrown in to fill the rest of the year. I think the average adult has maybe retained 15% of this stuff if they're lucky, even me at the top 1% might have 30% of this stuff down deep. The "new math" also tried to ram college abstract math down little kid's minds, and it didn't work then either. What you get is a system where only the elite will survive, the rest will either drop out or retain nothing. This is consistent with a WASL that flunks out all but the top 20%. Date sent: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:41:14 To: arthurhu@halcyon.com From: Lynn M Stuter Subject: Re: [Fwd: [wa-ed-deform] Hi Tech school to work forum] > I'm not the guy to help you on that one. But call Joanne -- she might be > able to help you. There are no higher standards with education reform, > Arthur. The discrepancies between the WASL and the EARLs will be gradually > brought into alignment and they will claim an increase in student learning. > The whole of it is to make it appear that the scores are going up > gradually. In the meantime, the rising test scores will give them the time > they need to get the system in place. LynnS > > At 02:24 PM 3/11/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Hmm, if you could also put in plug for the fact that the whole 1209 > >approach to higher standards and WASL is completely bogus - oh, > >maybe I'll just add my own -- then I might be game and the two of > >us can say hi to terry Bergeson again. > > > >I really need to figure out how to make an SPI run work for real, the > >president candiates are ramping up now. > > > > > > > >Date sent: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:10:37 -0800 > >From: Jim Keeffe > >To: Lynn M Stuter , arthur hu > > >Subject: Re: [Fwd: [wa-ed-deform] Hi Tech school to work forum] > > > >> Lynn - > >> > >> If this is open to the public and if you will so kindly write up a > handout I will > >> make copies and pass them out. How about you Arthur? > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> Lynn M Stuter wrote: > >> > >> > No, I hadn't heard of this. This is an excellent opportunity to go and > >> > have prepared a handout to give to business owners asking them what they > >> > want in an employee, whether they believe they will get that under > >> > education, and providing a facts sheet on the dumbing down going on in > the > >> > schools under education reform. Most employers believe they are going to > >> > get a better product out of the public schools -- they won't but they > don't > >> > know that yet. This is a golden opportunity to educate them. > >> > Are you game? Is Arthur game? Do you want me to work up a draft of a > >> > handout? It needs to be just one page that hits the pertinent points and > >> > hits them hard. > >> > > >> > Let me know and I'll get on it. > >> > > >> > LynnS > >> > > >> > Something like this: > >> > > >> > What do you need in an employee? > >> > > >> > What do you believe you will receive in an employee from the public > >> > schools? (briefly outline how employers are being told that in > supporting > >> > education reform, they are supporting higher standards and better > education > >> > when actually the opposite is true) > >> > > >> > Do you know what is going on with education reform and school-to-work in > >> > the public schools? (briefly outline how schools are moving away from > >> > liberal arts education to environmental education and workforce training) > >> > > >> > Is this what you need in an employee? > >> > > >> > At 02:36 PM 3/10/99 -0800, you wrote: > >> > >Lynn - > >> > > > >> > >Have you heard of this? I replied back to Arthur for more information > >> > >about this forum. If this is open to the public this could be a great > >> > >opportunity for some of us to go and dispel the STW myths to > >> > >organizaitons like WSA. > >> > > > >> > >Jim > >> > >Received: from mb.findmail.com (mb.findmail.com [209.185.96.152]) > >> > > by accessone.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/PIH) with SMTP id OAA23217 > >> > > for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:16:34 -0800 > (PST) > >> > >Received: from [127.0.0.1] by mb.findmail.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 1999 > >> > 22:16:32 -0000 > >> > >Received: (qmail 26885 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Mar 1999 22:16:38 -0000 > >> > >Received: from exchange.raima.com (198.206.247.237) > >> > > by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 1999 22:16:38 -0000 > >> > >Received: from arthurhu (dhcp32.raima.com [198.206.247.141]) by > >> > exchange.raima.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service > >> > Version 5.5.1960.3) > >> > > id GPVQDYH8; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:16:10 -0800 > >> > >Message-Id: <199903102216.OAA23217@accessone.com> > >> > >Mailing-List: contact wa-ed-deform-owner@egroups.com > >> > >X-Mailing-List: wa-ed-deform@egroups.com > >> > >X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/wa-ed-deform/ > >> > >Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-wa-ed-deform@egroups.com > >> > >From: "arthur hu" > >> > >To: education-consumers@ripple.dundee.net, wa-ed-deform@egroups.com > >> > >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:16:11 -0800 > >> > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> > >Reply-to: arthurhu@halcyon.com > >> > >Priority: normal > >> > >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) > >> > >Subject: [wa-ed-deform] Hi Tech school to work forum > >> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >> > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> > > > >> > >TE: 1 > >> > >FL:0 > >> > > > >> > >This sort of forum doesn't seem to be a bad idea, but Bergeson and > >> > >all of the usual corporate suspects will be there. > >> > > > >> > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >> > >From: "Gillingham, Matt" > >> > >To: "'arthurhu@halcyon.com'" > >> > >Subject: RE: school to work forum > >> > >Date sent: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:48:51 -0500 > >> > > > >> > >On behalf of the Washington Software Alliance (WSA), it is our > pleasure to > >> > >extend this exclusive invitation for you to join us at Bridging The > Gap: the > >> > >Washington State Information Technology School to Work Forum, to be > held on > >> > >Wednesday, March 31, 1999. The program will be held at the Adobe > Systems > >> > >Conference Center in Seattle from 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. > >> > > > >> > >Bridging the Gap is presented by WSA in conjunction with the Society for > >> > >Information Management (SIM), the Workforce Training and Education > >> > >Coordinating Board, the Information Technology Association of > America, the > >> > >National Alliance of Business and the Education Development Center. > In 1998 > >> > >WSA comprehensively quantified the workforce gap in the software > industry. > >> > >Now WSA is taking an active role in addressing issues in education and > >> > >business that contribute to this growing disparity. Bringing > together the > >> > >leaders of Northwest industries reliant upon IT professionals with the > >> > >leaders in K-16 education, our goal is to develop a common > understanding of > >> > >demand for IT professions in our state, share success in creating links > >> > >between school and work, and identify key actions which need to take > place > >> > >to increase the flow of students into the Information Technology field. > >> > > > >> > >Program highlights include: > >> > > > >> > >* Overview of School-to-Work > >> > >* Overview of Washington's High Technology Industries > >> > >* Washington State School-to-Work Strategy > >> > >* Successful School-to-Work Templates > >> > >* Panel: "Making Internships Work" > >> > >* Panel: "Skills Standards" > >> > >* Panel: "Increasing Awareness About IT" > >> > >* Networking Opportunities > >> > >* Internet Room, Sponsored by Adobe Systems > >> > > > >> > >If you have any questions, please contact Matt Gillingham, Forum > Coordinator > >> > >at 206-224-4340 or at mgilling@apcoassoc.com. Please return the > attached > >> > >registration form as soon as possible. Space is limited at this event. > >> > > > >> > >We are very excited about this event and are looking forward to a > tremendous > >> > >response. We look forward to seeing you in Seattle this March and > feel that > >> > >this event will help you and your organization gain the information and > >> > >develop the relationships to make school to work succeed in information > >> > >technology in Washington. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >Sincerely, > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >Ken Myer, Regional Manager IBM Manny Freitas, VP Adobe Systems > >> > > > >> > > <> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: arthur hu [SMTP:arthurhu@halcyon.com] > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 6:15 PM > >> > >> To: mgilling@apcoassoc.com > >> > >> Subject: school to work forum > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, can you send me an email form of the announcement so > >> > >> that I can distribute it? > >> > >> > >> > >> march 31 forum > >> > >> > >> > >> Arthur Hu arthurhu@halcyon.com Education Deform Critic > >> > >> Index: http://www.leconsulting.com/arthurhu/index/edreform.htm > >> > >> listserver: http://www.egroups.com/list/wa-ed-deform > >> > > > >> > >This message has attachments; click 'Attachment' to see them. > >> > > > >> > >Arthur Hu arthurhu@halcyon.com Education Deform Critic > >> > >Index: http://www.leconsulting.com/arthurhu/index/edreform.htm > >> > >listserver: http://www.egroups.com/list/wa-ed-deform > >> > > > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >Internet FileZone: Always FREE! > >> > >Instantly store & access your valuable PC files on the net, > >> > >from any Web browser. > >> > >SIGN UP NOW - http://offers.egroups.com/click/235/0 > >> > > > >> > >eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/wa-ed-deform > >> > >Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >Arthur Hu arthurhu@halcyon.com Education Deform Critic > >Index: http://www.leconsulting.com/arthurhu/index/edreform.htm > >listserver: http://www.egroups.com/list/wa-ed-deform > > > >