e:\doc\web\99\02\asaid.txtIf Asians want to have even less AIDs, they
need to make rate of male to male sex and IV drug use ZERO, not just
1/4 the rate of whites. What do you say to that?


Just how close to zero does China have to be to meet your standard of
zero? There is no estimate in China that is even as low as the
non-gay US population AIDS rate.


If more people had the guts to be asking questions like I did, then
the majority of cases would _not_ be among gays and blacks because
somebody would suggest (horrors) that those groups reduce their
levels of risky sex and drug use to levels as low as Asian Americans.
Of course, you obviously want gays and blacks to have the "right" to
continue practice risky behaviors as you find the alternative to be
morally offensive.


It doesn't offend me, but don't blame me for high AIDS rates in other
communties when the Asian community relatively speaking doesn't seem
to have many cases at all. It would make you happy if the Asian
community "assimilated" to advanced western customs such as anal sex
and IV drug use instead of such morally backward Asian traditions
such as doing what your parents told you to do.








GMCarter wrote: 


  On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:28:43 -0800, Arthur Hu <arthurhu@halcyon.com>
  wrote:


  >>>Please explain your fantastic theory to  the 15 million people in Asia who
  >>>contracted  AIDS,  mostly from heterosexual intercourse!
  >
  >What fantastic theory? There is _no_ other reasonable explanation for the
  >extremely low rate of AIDS among Asian Americans. You have any others?
  >If the rate of AIDS  for Asians is 1/4 the general population, and the % of
  >cases due to MSM sex is the same, what is the relative rate of MSM sex in the
  >Asian
  >community? It sure as hell isn't 1.0.


  You're profoundlly confused about the way an epidemic works. The sad
  part is, you're playing with the numbers merely to justify a bigotry
  that states Asian Americans are rarely gay. That's just pathetic.


  >As for Asia, published rates for South and Southeast Asia are higher than
  >for San Francisco, if so many people have AIDS, one wonders where are
  >all the corresponding deaths? If it's Chinese, Japanese and Koreans we're
  >talking about, then it's far less than even the Asian Americans. For
  >mainland China, outside of a few cities that are deep into the drug trade,
  >
  >THE RATE OF AIDS IS STATISICALLY ZERO!


  According to official statistics--but the Chinese government is
  beginning to recognize a serious problem. The bigger impact of the
  epidemic so far has been in Southeast Asia. The epidemic is moving
  north, but one can only hope that condoms and safer sex practices will
  limit further spread.


  >Like I said at the bottom of the message, the only Asian Americans who
  >are getting AIDS are gays and drug users, fortunately, Asians are even
  >less likely to be drug users relative to the general population than they
  >are to be gay.


  More disgusting cultural bigotry. So how long have you been having
  fantasies of having sex with men, Arthur? You know, statistically, the
  "straight" guys that get the biggest anxiety attacks over gay men also
  get the biggest boners, compared to their straight but indifferent
  counterparts, when watching gay porn.


  >Of course, we don't want other Americans to emulate those stuck
  >up Asians, do we?
  >
  >Only .57 million, a tiny proportion of AIDS are in East Asia, which
  >has 1/4 of the world population.


  These are enormous numbers you posted below.


  >People estimated to be living with HIV/AIDS end 1998 millions
  >
  >cases                                   pop  case rate
  >22.5  Sub-Saharan Africa                488  4.5%
  > 6.7  South & SouthEast Asia           1168  0.5%
  > 1.73 South America & Carribbean        420  0.4%
  > 0.89 North America                     272  0.3%
  > 0.77 Europe & Central Asia             954  0.08%
  > 0.57 East Asia & Australasia (China)  1600  0.03%
  > 0.21 North Africa Middle East
  >
  >The Economist Jan 2nd 1999 p. 42 A Global Disaster


  Arthur, if you gave a DAMN about your Asian brothers and sisters here
  or anywhere, your questions would be


  1) How can we slow or stop the spread of HIV?
  2) How can we get condoms and clean needles and information to people
  to stop the spread?
  3) How can we help people who are infected?
  4) How can we get life sustaining drugs and diagnostic equipment to
  people and countries who need them?


  Instead, you're getting in a snit because, like some African Americans
  who were blind and dumb enough to say homosexuality was a "white man's
  disease" you're too bigoted and conflicted to address the REAL
  problems. And apparently too heartless as well.


  I wish you luck. Maybe you should get back to the fundamentals of
  Buddhist teaching: compassion.


                  George M. Carter