+OK 3149 octets Received: from smtp1.nwnexus.com (smtp1.nwnexus.com [198.137.231.16]) by mail1.halcyon.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24762 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.calstatela.edu (eagle.calstatela.edu [130.182.1.1] (may be forged)) by smtp1.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17960 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:32:14 -0800 Received: from ganymede (ganymede [130.182.113.45]) by eagle.calstatela.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14288; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from desktop (nts2-09.calstatela.edu [130.182.127.109]) by ganymede with SMTP id VAA27322; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:37:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19990123194656.00cf2350@ganymede.calstatela.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19990123194656.00cf2350@ganymede.calstatela.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19990123194656.00cf2350@ganymede.calstatela.edu> X-Sender: wbishop@ganymede.calstatela.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:37:07 -0800 To: Arthur Hu From: Wayne Bishop Subject: Re: HELP! PRESIDENT CLINTON'S SPEECH ON SAT SCORES. Cc: education-consumers@ripple.dundee.net In-Reply-To: References: <19990121.143933.3414.0.rpetteway@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: At 10:32 AM 1/22/99 -0800, arthur hu wrote: >=================================== >It's true, and almost a well kept secret that in math the US was among >the top 4 or 5 nations in 4th grade on the TIMSS. We're further >behind in the upper grades, ... It's also a well kept secret that the 4th grade results need some massaging to look that good: Singapore 625 Korea 611 Japan 597 Hong Kong 587 Netherlands 577 Czech Republic 567 Austria 559 Slovenia 552 Ireland 550 Hungary 548 Australia 546 United States 545 Mean 529 http://nces.ed.gov/TIMSS/report/97255.pdf Still, it's an OK score but not high. Depending on the goal, they waffle on whether or not the Czech score is higher and sometimes even the Netherlands. Indisputable is that it's poor by eighth and terrible by twelfth. Another deliberate misrepresentation is that the "high" score at 4th reflects success in the math reform movement that has not reached 8th let alone 12th. The fact is that a traditionally well-trained, college-intending U.S. student would score competitively on the TIMSS at the 12th. Another way to look at how the data is misinterpreted is to look at the curriculum of the top country, Singapore. Since most of the education is in English, no translation of materials is necessary. I have the entire precollegiate curriculum, some four feet of stuff including the two tracks and teachers guides, and there's nothing "reform" about it. It's just good mathematics well presented. Surprise. Wayne. .