f:\doc\web\98\09\sample.txt (arthur Hu) I have the SAT sample book, that's how I concluded that the 4th grade level WASL actually has FEWER 4th grade level problems than the 1st page of the SAT, and each problem on the SAT is consistently much easier than the version that appears on the Washington performance based test. If you want to get 99th percentile, you have to get all but 1 or 2 correct. Whether it is hard or easy depends on the score you want to get on it - the pass or fail score depends entirely on what school you want to get into. Proof - there is NO single standard for "how good is good enough". Good enough for what??? Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:12:25 -0500 From: "Richard G. Innes" <70224.434@compuserve.com> Subject: [education-consumers] Real ACT/SAT Questions To: "ClearingHouse" Send reply to: "Richard G. Innes" <70224.434@compuserve.com> ===================================================================== There have been some recent comments in the forum about actual questions on the ACT and SAT college entrance tests. I wanted to see for myself, and I have found two authorized sources that might be interesting to other ECC/Loop members. "10 Real SATs" comes from the College Entrance Examination Board (The College Board to most). Most bookstores can order it or you can call direct to College Board Publications, Two College Way, Forrester Center, WV 25438-4100, phone 800-323-7155. ISBN 0-87477-567-8. $17.95. "Getting Into the ACT" is written by ACT. ACT Publications, P.O. Box 168, Iowa City, IA 52243-0168. It is actually published by Harcourt-Brace. ISBN 0-15-600535-2. $16.00. Some of our highly active Web surfers may have found examples on line, as well; but, if they are not from the official ACT or SAT web sites there is always the question of authenticity. Both these sources appear genuine. There is a good chance your local library or high school with have these reference books available or can be encouraged to order them. The big question -- which test is harder? I lean a bit towards SAT for math, but want to do some more comparison before anyone gets to hold my feet to the fire. Both tests offer some good examples of questions that clearly require some higher order thinking even though they are multiple-choice. An added note. ACT calls their science test "Science Reasoning." I now believe that is absolutely accurate, as the questions generally deal with analysis of tables of data and development of hypotheses and theories. The student actually does not have to know many science facts and formulas to do well, although experience with factual science will greatly aid a student in answering these analysis-oriented questions. Richard Innes ===================================================================== EDUCATION CONSUMERS CLEARINGHOUSE networking and information for parents and taxpayers on the internet Subscriptions & Archives: http://education-consumers.com or You are currently subscribed to education-consumers as: arthurhu@halcyon.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send a blank email to leave-education-consumers-989462S@lists.dundee.net ===================================================================== For less mail, click on the following link and choose 1) a daily digest, 2) a daily list of subjects, or 3) no mail (read postings on Web) http://lists.dundee.net/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=education-consumers For more help & info: http://www.lyris.com/help or