z55\doc\web\2002\02\ethsort.txt Could this be the outcome of standards based education, assuming they fail to erase ethnic gaps? From h-bd discussion: << On the possibily segregating effect of brouping by ability he recounts a school teacher who decided to seat the students most needing help together, but then had to cancel the plan after she realized she had just segregated his class room. A major problem in providing gifted education (or even advanced placement classes) these days is that it results in schools or classes with very few blacks. >> Which of course is what was done in the "old days." When I was in that same Jr. High School 3 in Manhattan 1953-55, the classes were sorted by test scores. 9 special (those of us who skipped from 7th to 9th) was Jews and one Chinese kid and me, 9-1 through 3 were mostly Irish, 9-4 through 6 were mostly Italian, 9-7 through 9 were mostly Blacks, and 9 rmd. (remedial) was described in those days as "retards and Ricans." Since in those days the tests were given only in English, almost all the Puerto Ricans scored as mentally deficient. Ethno-racial relations were equally simple. The Irish attacked everyone, the Italians attacked only the blacks, the blacks attacked each other, and the rest of us scurried home after school, hoping to avoid the Irish. Since the Italians defended their own, some of the older female Burke members of my family in earlier decades, ironically, became "members" of the Italian group. Because there were no Italians in my class, that opportunity didn't come to me, and when the Irish got tired of kicking the Jews and calling them "Christ killers" and "circumcised bastards," as a member of what seemed like the only WASP family within miles, they woul sometimes go after me. No one could afford guns or even good knives, so garbage pan lids and zip guns were weapons of choice. Those were the "good old days." J. Chapin