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From: "Gene Malone" 
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Madeline Hunter


Gil/all-
 
Gee, this was my post from some time ago-and my comments on Madeline
Hunter teaching process still stand.
 

As a retired teacher, I observed the M Hunter method and it script
and teacher video of the approved method in Milwaukee. I met Madeline
Hunter, she was genial.
 
However, the Skinnerian approach in the M Hunter method certainly
did/wouldn't suit me. It is a method much like "color by the numbers"
which gives a completed/but supplied "outcome"/drawing.  In learning
there is good, better, best, regarding the student's acquiring
information/knowledge. The OBE process, learning by byte,without
thinking, reflecting, testing for truth, to me, was much like the M
Hunter approach. Her background in coming to conclusions using her
teaching system would yield some insight.
 
For further information: the book, "The deliberate dumbing down of
America, by Charlotte Iserbyt,1999, pp. 94, 228, A113 would be of
some help in the matter.
 
As for me, I came to my own conclusions as a classroom teacher, early
on the matter.
 
The SRA series used in reading, I am sure is beneficial to
low-achievement reading students, for example,too, but it should not
be used for the creative mind.
 
Reading skills, should be adjusted a bit for individual needs, I
would think, but I saw the Hunter method used across the board -and
in my opinion, does not lend itself to the real purpose of
education-once skills are learned, learn to think.
 
However, my original post, to me, is how I then/now intened it to
read.
 
Some teachers like the ease of Direct Instruction or say, Madeline
Hunter's prescribed learning, others do not. However, a child should
have access to the best ways-say intense, systematic phonics, for
instance.  
 
I hope others on the loop/off-loop will comment.  gene malone


Arthur Hu:


Under the new administrtion at our school I was evaluated and "asked"
to change my teaching methods to the Madeline Hunter model
specifically. After perfoming this for three weeks I can say it is
very flashy with no real substance except entertainment for the
students. I have also noticed that I am doing less instruction and
assessment because this model requires student feedback constantly
and time does not allow this as well as the model itself. Also, we
are not going forward as quickly as before.


I have also questioned if this method is culturally biased to certain
learning styles (field dependent/field independent).


I am curious to know your experience so far.




Gil 


----Original Message Follows---- 
From: "arthur hu" 
To: "Gil Armenta" 
Subject: RE: Madeline Hunter 
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:39:14 -0800 
I don't know about it other than this article, however, I have many friends 
who would be interested in hearing your opinion and description of it. Most 
of my friends prefer "direct instruction" and "rote learning", and good old 
fashioned 
competition rather than the ridiculous "high standards for all" outcome 
based 
education model. 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Gil Armenta [mailto:garmenta@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:39 PM 
To: arthurhu@halcyon.com 
Cc: frdm2000@wi.net 
Subject: Madeline Hunter 
Hello, 
The below information was found on the internet. 
It refers to Madeline Hunter. 
I am having to teach following the Madeline Hunter model, however, I feel 
it does not favor the minority students and field dependent students. 
Would you have any research to confirm this? 
Sincerely, 
Gil Armenta 


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Date sent: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:36:33 -0500 
From: Gene To: arthurhu@halcyon.com 
Subject: Re: OBE-Racist/for Blacks 
Gene wrote: 
Arthur: Madeline Hunter's Effective School Model for OBE students, 
Mastery Learning and measuring small bits of information rather than 
learning, to read sentences, think was/is largely done in urban 
"disadvantaged " areas- where the urban poor live, mostly. The Housing 
and Urban Development grants via Model Cities monies brought these 
sub-standard programs to a helpless, and most needy Americans already 
with economic ,education problems. Add this to your "things to 
do"-research. In the 196O's and '7O's this was the case-then these 
sub-standard programs-after the urban experimentation-spread to the 
other areas of schooling throughout the country. I was there/observed. 
I think you would call the above programs DI or spin offs of DI which is 
more of a remedial approach to reading not for above average/average 
ability students-as I observed the stuff. Madeline Hunter is now 
deceased. Wish some folks would look into the Effective Schools (yuk) 
reform measures that have done so much damage/but fit OBE. 
Gene-OBE by the Lake-Kenosha,Wisc 
Gil