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Date sent:      	Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:54:04 -0400
From:           	joonbug@yahoo2001.com
Subject:        	Need Input Re: American Math methods don't add up - Rossi


Guillermo, Jr


To Guillermo - 


The notion that you must learn from your race is pure BS. Asians are
absolutely the most under-represented group among schoolteachers in
the US, with the fewest relative number of principals,
superintendents, and role models of any kind, and their parents pay
the least attention to racial politics, but guess which group has the
highest math test scores??


Ranked by Asian Representation: Asians always worse or as
poorly represented as blacks, yet perform as well or better
than Whites in every district and state.


Here is a rundown of how races compare with students in several
cities. 1.00 means parity with whites, -2.00 means 1/2, 2.00 means
twice as many as whites. In most cities, Asians are MORE
under-represented as staff and administration than blacks.


Spokane WA Princip   W1.00 B  2.20 H  1.00 A  1.05 N 0.00
Seattle Principal    W1.00 B  2.00 
----------------------- Asian Parity ---------------------
Spokane WA Elem Tea  W1.00 B -1.33 H -1.95 A -1.20 N-1.99
Seattle Teach/Pop    W1.00 B -1.06 H -3.86 A -1.54 N-1.39
Boston Teacher/Stu   W1.00 B -1.80 H -2.91 A -2.66 N-1.60
SF Principal (A=Ch)  W1.00 B -3.0  H -3.0  A -3.1  N 0.00
Seattle Employ       W1.00 B -2.47 H -3.72 A -3.74 N-3.74
WA Teacher vs Stu    W1.00 B -3.40 H -6.13 A -3.92 N-4.15
CA Teachers          W1.00 B -2.70 H -8.58 A -4.13 N-1.88
CA Staff             W1.00 B -2.50 H -8.23 A -4.16 N-1.85
Ca Principals        W1.00 B -1.72 H -6.20 A -5.25 N-1.67
SF Teacher (A=Chin)  W1.00 B -7.3  H-10.20 A -9.10 N-3.20
CA Superintendent    W1.00 B-13.4  H-17.2  A-27.5  N-1.80


Got this from my teacher page at
http://www.leconsulting.com/arthurhu/index/teacher.htm




As for suicide rates
http://www.leconsulting.com/arthurhu/index/suicide.htm


Suicide Spectrum


Worldwide
Deaths per 100,000 people, 1985                 
            Suicide Index  														
  France    21.30  1.7															
  Japan     19.60  1.6															
  Japan 98  17.2     
  W Germany 18.60  1.5															
  USA       12.20  1.0															
  Britain   8.50  -1.43     													


Relative rates - Higher in Japan, but generally
lower among Asian Americans.
--------------------------------------------
US Elderly W1.0                A "highest"
US/ Japn   W1.0                A 1.6
US Teen    W1.00 B-1.9         A-1.95
CA State   W1.0  B-1.8  H-3.0  A-2.7 O-2.3
SF         W1.0  B-2.2  H-12.7 A-3.6


So rates of suicide are higher in Japan, but that may be due more to
adults who can't cope with failure which is more acceptable here.
However, those Asian American kids have LOWER rates of suicide, in
the US, it is the WHITES who have rates of suicide 2 times the rate
of black youth (who unfortunate problem of murder by other black
youths instead)




Dear loop,


In a conversation with a friend and "educator" about
our sub-par math and general academic scores, I
brought up the fact that Japanese children
consistently outperform our kids.  Her reply was that
the Japanese are taught by other Japanese, making the
children more willing to learn.  She also said that
Japanese children have a much higher suicide rate than
American kids.  She used both these arguments to
justify the teaching of multi-culturalism and
self-esteem in the classroom.  Later on during the
conversation she contradicted herself and said they
teach multi-culturalism to prepare the children for
the global economy.
What would be the proper response to her claims about
kids being more willing to learn from someone of their
own race and the difference in suicide rate between
America and Japan?  Personally, I never noticed I was
being taught by a different race or that my friends
and I weren't supposed to get along until society
pointed it out for me.  I went to a very mixed
elementary school where everyone got along no matter
what their race.  When I go back to my old
neighborhood though you can see everyone divided up
along racial lines.
Please take the time to give me a response.  Thank you
and God bless.


Guillermo, Jr.




Bruce Crawford [brucec76@ix.netcom.com]
Arthur,


Right on! A friend of my daughter is a black kid who scored 1,600 on his
PSATs last year. He lives in the 'burbs, and has probably never had a
black teacher, other than his parents. The notion one must learn from
people of one's own kind is out of the fallacy known as critical race
theory. Much has been written on that subject. It is to the understanding
of human nature what multiple intelligences is to cognitive psych.


BC